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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:34 am

Assuming that the yoyoing ideas are to keep people interested in the show...I would first ask wwhy that's even necessary. Castle has had alot of positive buzz all summer. The fanbase was excited about the season. Now some are wary, and a bit unsure about watching things past episode 3. How is this helpful? scratch

I would suggest the media minds that use this sort of thinking revisit the fable of "Peter and the Wolf" and rewatch the movie "Monster's inc." Peter lies about the wolf coming because he wants the townspeople to all come rushing out to the fields. Each time he does he laughs and the townsfolks get angrier and angrier. It's not JUST that they don't believe him, they are angry about WASTING THEIR TIME. The THIRD time they go they are pretty sure there is no wolf, but they go because there's a small chance it's for real. The fourth time - when.it IS for real, no one shows up and the wolf gets all the sheep -a total lose-lose situation. Whether it's constantly biilding to put a couple together only to roadblock it, or threating a roadblock that never comes to fruition - the LYING to create buzz eats away at the show's credibilty. It takes viewers to a place of not caring muchwhat happens -and not watching to find out.

As for Monster's inc, that gives a real gem of a lesson. The Monster's town is completely powered by havesting screams of terror from human children. So every day the monsters go to work entering the human children's bedrooms during the night and scaring the hell out of them. The children are considered a dangerous, foreign entity that could possibly kill a monster just by a single touch. By the END of the movie it's discovered that they get 1000 times the power capturing the joy of laughter from children. The entire town's way of life changes. The goal of a Monster working at monster's inc becomes not to scare a child, but to ENTERTAIN the children - to keep them happy and laughing. Children and monsters also become friends - no longer is it thought that letting a child into their world would destroy it. It actually makes the new job of making them laugh easier - because they now KNOW the children: likes, dislikes, etc. Wise folks over at Pixar. Wink

Meanwhile, back in network tv land, the concept of a happy audience bringing higher ratings is considered absurd. The conventional wisdom is that as soon as a couple gets together the audience will get bored and stop watching. (Obviously these guys never watch cable.) What actually happens is that like the townspeople the audience gets annoyed with being jerked around. It drains the pleasure out oc watching the show. By the time they actually do put them together...you don't really care anymore and so you stop watching. The scaring of children in Monster's inc also had a time limit. THERE WAS ONLY A few years window before a child no longer cared about the monster under the bed. Again, push the will/they won't/they past credibilty and by the time it becomes they will the audience is and have no interest in what comes next. Whereas in Monster's inc - the laughter line has limitless potential, because a monster is connected with the child as she/he grows the monster always has insight into what makes the human laugh. Very Happy

(I write these things as if they're gonna make a difference in tv land. happy Of course they don't, but I tend to feel better afterwards. I think looking at it from a more analytical viewpoint makes me feel less Mad )
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:10 am

::hugs:: Copy and paste it and send it to the network! They wont read it but it might make you feel even better? It has me in the past. lol. I never wrote to Fox about Bones though.

I'm back on the side of "they're really going to do this" this morning. I keep yoyoing from it being a fake hype to it being fact. October (I assume the agent will be here by then) can't get here fast enough.

I also don't know if I will hold off watching until I know what's going to happen. I still have the image of "I love you" in my head. I don't want a woman to spoil it. Of course this tactic did not help me with Bones. I never saw one scene with blondie but her existence still left a bitter taste in my mouth that I never got over Razz of course that was Booth's fault.

soooooooo dear Castle TPTB .... your shenanigans has made me unhappy and I'm no longer excited fort the premier Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:20 pm

Oh, I'm still excited for the premiere. For me it wraps up "Knockout." excited I had no expectations of then starting a conscious romantic relationship at this point, so that's not a disappointment. What WOULD be a disappointment would be this reset of Rick they're discussing. Also, if for some reason they keep Josh around. After the fight she & Castle had, the truth of her being with men she doesn't love is in her conscious. Her character isn't one that's deliberately cruel. The breakup alone would be grounds for not jumping into anything else right away. However, she's also got Montgomery's betrayal/redemption/death weighing on her mind. She's got Alexis angry and scared about her father's life being put in danger. She has A LOT of things that make starting a relationship with Castle problematic. Castle has the Alexis issue as well. Plus, whatever fallout there is from Montgomery's envelope. In terms of being able to hold UST - like OMG, it's like they are sitting on.a keg of C4! The "other woman" NOW, is just SO petty, lame, and unnecessary. Sorry, Marlowe, but it's lazy writing. It's a way to stall and recycle what's already been done instead of really moving the characters' story forward.

Now, that's not to say an attractive woman can't catch Castle's attention. I had a discussion on Twitter with a woman who pointed out they could do a reverse of The Dead Pool, where there's flirtation without real intent. Castle having lunch with this woman or going to see a show - I can see that. If they REALLY feel like jealousy is the only thing that would motivate Beckett in expressing her feelings to Castle ( Rolling Eyes ) that's enough to trigger the response. The moment it crosses the line into a sexual relationship it becomes a reset. If anything going out with this woman should be shoring up for Castle that he wants Kate. Sleeping with the woman, it's back to Castle with the short attention span, because it's either just a lust-filled fling which brings back the issues of season one. (How to trust a playboy to be in a relationship - a total reset) or it's serious, which then makes his "love" for Kate shallow at best. It's the guy with the short attention span who apparently can fall on and out of love at the drop of a hat and resets to the end of season TWO. The end of season two has Castle run into the arms of another woman because he can't bear the pain of not having Beckett. At the start of season three, when Castle comes back he finds Kate is uninvolved but also closed off to him. He doesn't know Kate would have gone with him, but realizes leaving was a mistake in terms of his relationship with Beckett and he might have missed an opportunity since the relationship with Demming didn't last long. So, yeah, Beckett's unavailable - albeit for different reasons - so Castle runs. Again. Reset. Mad

It's like, yeah call me when you're really moving forward - maybe I'll still care. Cool

They are still working out their decision about the direction that they'll be taking. I'm hoping that creative integrity wins out over tired formulaic thinking. I DO think Marlowe has what it takes to write the more complicated story. I'm not so sure about the various constraints of network TV allowing him to go there.
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:26 pm

OK you kinda made me want to watch the premier but I'm still not excited anymore. I can't jump on board when I fear the spoilers will come true and spoil everything.

I agree with everything you've said and have thought the same. Alas, I am preparing for the worse.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:41 pm

Okay, I'm posting these all in one go...

I have no idea why "they" (whoever "they" are? Churning out the crumbs that make the fans heads explode) seem to take delight in tickling sleeping dragons I assure you I'll watch Season 4...is it possible to lay off the fan poking for a bit? I'd like to make it to September without he need for medication...

Castle Scoop: Killing Actress Kristin Lehman to Come Between Castle and Beckett? TV LINE

Kristin Lehman to Cozy Up to Castle TV FANATIC

Castle Season 4 Spoiler: Kristin Lehman Set To Guest Star... And Drive The Shippers Crazy TV OVERMIND

Castle Scoop: The Killing Star to Come Between Castle and Beckett? TV GUIDE

'Castle' Casts a Potential Season 4 Love Interest BUDDY TV


Five different articles all from one "really interesting" (and by "really interesting" I actually mean "rather dull...let's move on, shall we?") piece of information. I guess we know WHY it pays to poke the fans...where's that eye roll smiley...can't find it...gonna use this one Mad instead! Razz

EDIT: Found another one!

Castle's New Love Interest Is Kristin Lehman WETPAINT


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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:55 pm

OMG AND SHE HAS TO BE A BLOND!!!!!

Shame on TPTB :/ They're pulling a Bones aren't they??? ::hasn't read the spoilers yet:: But the likeliness of me watching past the premier or even premier just bottomed out.

What IS cracking me up though... all the Bones comments. LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:27 pm

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OMG AND SHE HAS TO BE A BLOND!!!!!

Shame on TPTB :/ They're pulling a Bones aren't they??? ::hasn't read the spoilers yet:: But the likeliness of me watching past the premier or even premier just bottomed out.

What IS cracking me up though... all the Bones comments. LOL

happy Move over "Doing a Moonlighting" (that's SO yesterday!) all the hip kidz are calling it "Doing a Bones" now! happy
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:07 pm

OMG happy That is so hilarious!!!! You should coin that phrase! Lets start using it... see how fast it catches on.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:37 pm

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OMG AND SHE HAS TO BE A BLOND!!!!!

Shame on TPTB :/ They're pulling a Bones aren't they??? ::hasn't read the spoilers yet:: But the likeliness of me watching past the premier or even premier just bottomed out.

What IS cracking me up though... all the Bones comments. LOL
I'm putting this in the tweet section as well, but thought it worth posting here as well.
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@TerriEdda shippers, don't pay too much attention to the spoilers. They are there to poke & prod you. You'll like the episode. It's fun.
She also says to trust Andrew... The problem is that Andrew doesn't have complete control of what happens in terms of direction. No showrunner does and on a Network show the tired formula is what
they think works. Sometimes I think the writers have to try and make things work that wouldn't necessarily chose. The fact that the publicity department thinks angering fans is the way to get them to tune in...still baffles me. I mean, I've gone from being gung-ho Castle to being cautious in discussing it. I WAS really looking forward to the season and now I'm in the place of preparing myself to walk away if necessary. Until now I really thought Marlowe was building something epic. Now I don't know. The whole trust Marlowe thing is hard because, yes, he hasn't made out of character story decisions thus far. Nor have his plot points been in the realm of Scooby Doo. At the same time, he's writing for network tv where the idea of moving beyond a show's status quo is one they fear, dread, and squash as much as possible. They underestimate the audience - despite the evidence on cable that shows audience's like the complex - not just the simple. (The only network that seems to have alittle bit of understanding in this area is CBS - at least to a certain extent. There's a reason they have the most over-all viewers. People bust their chops, but they kept that spot for years now, and THEIR shows compete with Cable for Emmys So, since the publicity department is promoting like a typica network, it makes the content of the episode suspect to me.

I do trust Marlowe. I don't trust the circumstances he has to write in. However, I do trust enough to wait and see. I will watch the episode and see. However, my enthusiasm for what's coming up has definitely dropped. Like, I won't be rushing home to see this episode. It'll be DVR'd.
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:52 pm

Look out! I am in full pessimist swing! And it is STILL Bones fault.


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TV Guide reports that the shippers shouldn't worry so much because apparently Martina Kaye hides a surprising secret from the team

This does little to reassure me. So we have nothing to worry about because obviously she can't stay around for long due to this secret. Great. Another Hannah right there. So Castle won't choose to stay with Beckett but will have the choice made for him like Booth with Hannah? AWESOME. OK I realize I am getting ahead of the game here but this statement leads me to think that what they're saying is...

"It'll be OK, Beckett and Castle will be together eventually".

And yes, I figure they will be. But what TPTB and everyone else likely STILL do not get is that to some of us the road to get there means more than getting there.

::points at Bones:: They got there. But I no longer care.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:25 am

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Look out! I am in full pessimist swing! And it is STILL Bones fault.

From TV GUIDE:

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TV Guide reports that the shippers shouldn't worry so much because apparently Martina Kaye hides a surprising secret from the team

This does little to reassure me. So we have nothing to worry about because obviously she can't stay around for long due to this secret. Great. Another Hannah right there. So Castle won't choose to stay with Beckett but will have the choice made for him like Booth with Hannah? AWESOME. OK I realize I am getting ahead of the game here but this statement leads me to think that what they're saying is...

"It'll be OK, Beckett and Castle will be together eventually".

And yes, I figure they will be. But what TPTB and everyone else likely STILL do not get is that to some of us the road to get there means more than getting there.

::points at Bones:: They got there. But I no longer care.
WHERE did you get that blurb! If that came out tonight then, WOW! I'm seriously impressed! Not so much with the info, but with the speed of damage control and course-correction in the publicity department. Took Bones publicity MONTHS to figure that one out. Razz
If nothing else shifting the emphasis that quickly shows a certain respect towards the audience. Far better than thinking that an angry fanbase is a GOOD thing. Rolling Eyes Being that the episode hasn't even started shooting and they tweek and rewrite all the way up to and sometimes even during shooting, it's possible that some things may...change in the story. I mean I am pretty sure Marlowe doesn't want to be compared to other shows - Bones in particular, since he's occasionally been critical of them in the last year.

Maybe the publicity department never got the memo - Do Not Use Our Normal Tactics in promoting the show. happy

I find jealousy plots dumb at this stage in a story. However, if Castle were PRETENDING to be interested in this woman - like Beckett was with Conrad for Dead Pool - at least it wouldn't be a reset that sends Castle back to season 1. I do agree that if Castle's interest ends by default it's the same thing as the situation on Bones, albeit not on the grand scale of insanity of the whole Booth proposes girl says no - thus settles for Brennan. Especially if it's just one episode.

Still, it would be bad enough to move Castle to permanent DVR status. silent
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:32 am

The TV guide blurb? It was on one of those links Tink posted. The rest is me rambling. Embarassed Here I will edit the post to make it more clear where the TV guide blurb is and where my pointless rambling is. I might not need too but I am confused to how that is damage control... well.. I guess maybe it could be? Or maybe I just need to go to sleep.

If Castle ends up pulling a Remington Steele (pretending to be interested in women to push Beckett's buttons) I will not be thrilled but I'll cope. I hate jealousy plots too. It's why I dropped NCIS as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:28 am

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The TV guide blurb? It was on one of those links Tink posted. The rest is me rambling. Embarassed Here I will edit the post to make it more clear where the TV guide blurb is and where my pointless rambling is. I might not need too but I am confused to how that is damage control... well.. I guess maybe it could be? Or maybe I just need to go to sleep.

If Castle ends up pulling a Remington Steele (pretending to be interested in women to push Beckett's buttons) I will not be thrilled but I'll cope. I hate jealousy plots too. It's why I dropped NCIS as well.
I just meant when the blurb itself came out. Like was it late today or earlier. Late today would have given me more hope.

Early on the jealousy stuff worked because nothing had been declared. Now? Evil or Very Mad Castle hooking up is a flakey move for him. If's it like the Natalie Rhodes episode, that's different.
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:31 am

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The TV guide blurb? It was on one of those links Tink posted. The rest is me rambling. Embarassed Here I will edit the post to make it more clear where the TV guide blurb is and where my pointless rambling is. I might not need too but I am confused to how that is damage control... well.. I guess maybe it could be? Or maybe I just need to go to sleep.

If Castle ends up pulling a Remington Steele (pretending to be interested in women to push Beckett's buttons) I will not be thrilled but I'll cope. I hate jealousy plots too. It's why I dropped NCIS as well.
I just meant when the blurb itself came out. Like was it late today or earlier. Late today would have given me more hope.

Early on the jealousy stuff worked because nothing had been declared. Now? Evil or Very Mad Castle hooking up is a flakey move for him. If's it like the Natalie Rhodes episode, that's different.

It's past my bed time zzzzzz lol

No idea when the articles were released. There the ones Tink posted.

And I agree. Castle is gonna turn into a flake. WOOHOO ok really, I know, it isn't cool of me to jump to worse scenario but its not like there's been a tv show since the for forever that hasn't done something different.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:23 am

@fairytales - found it. I think it came out yesterday. However, Marlowe tweeted this tonight.
"@AndrewWMarlowe: @TheLoveOfCastle Don't trust the press."

Terri tweeted more or less the same thing...makes me think there's a ABC publicity spin that's deliberately inaccurate... I mean Hart Hanson would be goading this stuff on. He was very definite in standing by the ideas being presented in spoilers... Let's hope it's just a really dumb idea from the publicity folks. sad
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:13 am

I'm not going to panic about this "supposed" SO, but I do believe this person will become a close friend of Castle's. Castle will use her skills as an investigator to do research into Beckett's mother case. I based this simply on the description of the character; she is an insurance investigator and holds a secret from the team.

I feel Beckett will be threaten by this woman, but we, the audience, will know that there is nothing going between Castle and this new character.
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:22 am

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@fairytales - found it. I think it came out yesterday. However, Marlowe tweeted this tonight.
"@AndrewWMarlowe: @TheLoveOfCastle Don't trust the press."

Terri tweeted more or less the same thing...makes me think there's a ABC publicity spin that's deliberately inaccurate... I mean Hart Hanson would be goading this stuff on. He was very definite in standing by the ideas being presented in spoilers... Let's hope it's just a really dumb idea from the publicity folks. sad

OK the above tweet is giving me a little bit of hope that this is a very bad publicity stunt. I've seen shows pull it before.

::takes deep breath::

@dstorm oh I like that theory that he's working close with the insurance investigator on Beckett's mother's case.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:11 am

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@fairytales - found it. I think it came out yesterday. However, Marlowe tweeted this tonight.
"@AndrewWMarlowe: @TheLoveOfCastle Don't trust the press."

Terri tweeted more or less the same thing...makes me think there's a ABC publicity spin that's deliberately inaccurate... I mean Hart Hanson would be goading this stuff on. He was very definite in standing by the ideas being presented in spoilers... Let's hope it's just a really dumb idea from the publicity folks. sad

OK the above tweet is giving me a little bit of hope that this is a very bad publicity stunt. I've seen shows pull it before.

::takes deep breath:

@dstorm oh I like that theory that he's working close with the insurance investigator on Beckett's mother's case.
@dstorm - That's the best idea I've heard thus far! If he had to do a "triangle" -
what an EXCELLENT way to do it without losing character integrity! That really could be fun! (However, will still DVR...just in case. As they say, once burned, twice shy. Even though Marlowe has always come through, the circumstances are too similar to Bones for me to not be nervous. )
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:28 am

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@dstorm - That's the best idea I've heard thus far! If he had to do a "triangle" -
what an EXCELLENT way to do it without losing character integrity! That really could be fun! (However, will still DVR...just in case. As they say, once burned, twice shy. Even though Marlowe has always come through, the circumstances are too similar to Bones for me to not be nervous. )

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:57 pm

cheers People!
I just love that the the name "Hannah" has become synonymous with "poorly contrived SO plot device" Very Happy

Anyway...I bring you Michael Ausiello's 'scoop' on the Castle Halloween episode...look who's not gonna be in it after all... Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:12 pm

Man...I'm confused!
First they report about the "insurance investigator" on Castle...milk it for every last "she's going to steal Castle away from Beckett forever!" *gasp* drop. Now they're reporting on the fact Terri Miller appealed for calm amid the storm that the "insurance investigator" caused within the fandom...Did I miss something here? scratch

Anyhoo...Here's Wetpaint with a few words about Terri's few words CLICK!
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:15 pm

Meh. Their definition of "fun" still could be different from ours. But we'll see. I'm now at least going to watch up until the 3rd episode.

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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:27 pm

Ding! Ding!
Let the fight begin... Very Happy

Wetpaint asks: Will the New Castle Captain Pull Rank on Beckett?
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PostSubject: Latest from EW... New SO, Not Really.   Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:11 pm

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/26/spoilers-castle-leverage-supernatural-fringe/2/


Castle spoilers please! Any good Caskett spoilers for Castle fans? — Danielle
Worried about the addition of The Killing‘s Kristen Lehman as an art insurance investigator/love interest for Castle? Don’t be. I hear she’s only in one episode as of now and has a pretty darn good story while she’s there. Obviously the casting choice was made for a reason (Chemistry? Yup!), but I’d calm myself a bit. She isn’t the female Josh (a.k.a. ‘ship wrecker!). But while Lehman is only in one episode, I can’t say the same for Beckett’s psychiatrist, played by Michael Dorn. He makes his second appearance in Lehman’s episode. (The first being the premiere.)

Hi there, I love your column! I would love some Castle scoop. Can you tell us anything about the return of the 3XK episode, “Kick the Ballistics” being filmed right now? I assume we can look for some great scenes for Detective Ryan, dealing with the fallout and it will be nice to see him in the spotlight for once. Thanks! — Cheryl
You’re going to see a side of Ryan you’ve never seen before. Also, a bit of casting news! I hear recurring White Collar player Ross McCall (who plays Keller) will take on a role in the ep as a cop who figures into the case. Also appearing? Lost‘s Francois Chau. So far, I’m giving a solid A to the casting choices this season.
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PostSubject: Re: Summer Season FOUR Spoilers!    Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:26 pm

With the latest spoiler from EW, I'm thinking that my theory on this supposed SO might be correct. I'm betting she is someone Castle will meet in the course of the investigation, and he will hire her for her skills as an investigator to look into Beckett's mother's case. This is one scenario. Another scenario is that Castle hired her during the summer, but they run into her during the latest murder case. Castle will try to hide their working relationship by pretending to be interested in her in a romantic way. This will get Beckett all riled up, and she will discuss her jealousy about this new woman with her therapist.

This episode is sounding more and more like the "Nikki Heat" episode. A jealous Beckett with a Castle "seeming" to be interested in this other woman.


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