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PostSubject: 4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion   4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion Icon_minitimeTue Feb 21, 2012 3:50 am

So guys, what'd ya think? My short version discussion - I LOVED IT. cheers Exhausted though, so I'll have to do the details later. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion   4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion Icon_minitimeWed Feb 22, 2012 5:20 pm

Goodness... where is everyone?

I'm only going to comment on one thing so that I dont sound like a broken record here Razz The conversation between CIA Lady and Beckett... from the discussions I have read... fans HATED this moment. I probably need to watch it again but meh. I wasn't that annoyed by it.

To me, Sophia was speaking about her completely sexual relationship with Castle. The difference Beckett should have noticed was...her relationship with Castle goes past that. When watching, I was like "wow are they really going to put emphasis on relationships that do not evolve around the bedroom"?

But apparently my first impression was wrong?

Do you really think Am just said "this is why the characters wont be getting together any time soon" or do you think he was showing WHY Castle and Beckett were different? I was thinking AM was showing the difference but I guess I could be wrong as I could totally see the other side too :/

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PostSubject: Re: 4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion   4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion Icon_minitimeWed Feb 22, 2012 11:33 pm

Actually, about half the fan base had that reaction by the end of the episde, the other half - like me - saw the whole picture differently. AM had THE VILLIAN say those words. The lying, manipulative Russian spy. OUR HERO, Beckett, at the end of the episode said "Sophia lies alot. Sophia is not to be trusted or believed. Sophia had an agenda - which was to put doubt in the relationship between Rick and Kate. Kate didn't buy into it - and neither should we, because the villian isn't the voice of AM - it's the protagonists, our main cast. That we should be paying attention to. The villian is a voice in the world, it speaks our fears, doubts, perhaps those of the main characters, and what OUTSIDERS say. If Kate had bought into it, it would be different, but she DOESN'T - and neither does AM.

What was really important was Kate being willing to ask questions about the relationship at all. She admits her feelings and concerns to Rick several times - directly. Like when she asks, "So, how many of us are they - muses?" When Sophia says, "You know how he can be." Kate is smiling nostalgically, as opposed to Sophia's disdain.

At the end of the day Beckett knows Sophia was lying and just trying to mess with her mind. Also, yes, as you said Fairytales, there's a clear difference in the relationship Sophia described. Sophia and Castle acted on a physical attraction without really getting to know each each other. The things that annoy Sophia about Castle, Beckett has come to love and appreciate. If there's any message to take for that statement it's about why the situation doesn't apply to Caskett, and perhaps why it's good that their love story has progressed slowly. That can be looked at because Sophia's statements don't have to be TRUR in order to make the comparison.

On top of that, Castle tells her that Clara Strike may have started out like Sophia, but she changed into someone strong, caring and "kind" - someone more like Nikki Heat, more like Kate. In other words, for the 7 1/2 years before he found Kate SHE is what he'd been searching for. In one fell swoop Rick has taken away ALL of Kate's doubts about Rick's past - other muses, other women, and failed marriages - because until KATE he has never found what he was looking for. Yeah, there's a long pause and he goes "as a muse," but we know better. It's exactly the same way he said "Amazing" about the kiss in season three and then pulled it together and said, "The way you took him out, I mean." He's not talking about her as a muse, he's just talking about her, and Kate knows it.

That ending was a definite step forward. It cleared away so much of Kate's issues and insecurities about Rick, issues she's had all along, issues that came up again in Beholder. She knows now that SHE is what he's ALWAYS wanted.

Now, all she has to work on is letting herself open up and take that in, let herself BE loved by getting those walls down that have nothing to do with Rick. Part of that is going to be having to admit to Rick that she's not always strong, that she can't always deal, that she was too broken to admit the truth to him about what he said. From her perspective, now SHE is the only issue.

So, yeah, I LOVED this two-parter!
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PostSubject: Re: 4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion   4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion Icon_minitimeThu Feb 23, 2012 12:49 am

I hadn't thought that Sophia could have been lying during that moment. But you're definitely right, she could have been. And I completely understand and see it from your POV as well.

And actually, I personally don't WANT that conversation to be a lie. Because I liked it as being truth.

I saw Sophia as more evidence there have been a lot of Sophias in Rick's life but even without the physical, he already has something deeper and more meaningful with Kate. The physical will just be an added bonus and not something that destroys them. At least, that's how I view it/want to view it.

But yeah, I don't think Beckett bought into Sophia's "don't sleep with him, it'll ruin everything". Who says that to a person anyway? Especially a stranger.

Also, Sophia's description of her relationship with Castle reminded me of his relationship with Alexis's mother... I think it was her mother? Well... one of his ex-wives Razz

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PostSubject: Re: 4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion   4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion Icon_minitimeThu Feb 23, 2012 1:25 am

The reason I feel Sophia was on some level lying is because she clearly never loved Rick. She was a Russian Spy. Rick was a pleasant diversion, with some possible perks because of, wait for it, who his FATHER is. She knew THEN. My guess, when she realized Rick was never going to give her access to the Dad, she got out of the relationship. Thus the whole, "I wish we'd never slept together and just kept the longing" - is total 4.16 LINCHPIN - discussion 1911832374 . She slept with him because it was fun, he was attractive, and she could possibly get some intel from him. As soon as Beckett knows Sophia was a spy, she nows Sophia was just trying to "break up their unit cohesion." At the same time, she's had time to think about why Sophia's scenario didn't apply.

I think one thing people forgot in all this is that Beckett is a DECTECTIVE. She doesn't decide on an outcome until all the evidence is in and she can examine it. The fact that this time she was willing to ask questions despite her fears and jealousy issues, that she DIDN'T jump to conculsions, well, let's just say that although we haven't seen her going to Dr. Burke lately, clearly she still is. The therapy is working. Very Happy
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